Lidocaine

lidoicaine

I rank Lidocaine 26 out of 33 drugs.

We can use Lidocaine for ventricular fibrillation and for ventricular tachycardia without pulses.

We no longer use Lidocaine for ventricular tachycardia with pulses (Amiodarone is preferred by the American Heart Association). Until recently we used to use Lidocaine for VT with pulses, and much longer ago, used it for ventricular ectopy. Nowdays, ventricular ectopy is pretty much left alone.

If we did not also carry Amiodarone, I would rank Lidocaine higher. When forced to choose between the two, I take Amiodarone. The research is sketchy, but I have had better luck with Amiodarone. When I have given Lidocaine to people in VT, it hasn’t always turned out too well.

Here’s a 2004 story (with a few new edits) called The Man Who Wouldn’t Die where Lidocaine didn’t help (not that Amiodarone would have).

***

We’re called for a person not feeling well in an elderly housing hi-rise not far from the hospital. The man is an emaciated AIDS patient, who is laying naked on the couch in his dark apartment. He has a colostomy bag. His girlfriend says they were at the emergency department for seven hours today, then left.

“What did the doctors say was wrong?”

“Nothing. We were in the waiting room.”

The fire fighter first responder says he can’t feel a pulse, but the man is talking and alert. Its not unusual to have a difficulty feeling a pulse on some AIDS patients who are often baseline hypotensive. Since it is so dark in the apartment, I just say put him on the stretcher, give him some 02 and we’ll work him in the ambulance.

Downstairs in the ambulance, I try for a blood pressure and can’t hear anything. His nail beds are white. I put in an IV while my partner Arthur puts him on the monitor.

“Why are you grimacing?” Arthur asks.

The man is suddenly writhing.

“My chest hurts,” he says.

I look at the monitor. Crap. He’s in V-tack.

I slam some lidocaine in the IV line and tell Arthur to get in front and drive to the hospital. We are only a couple blocks away.

I put the pads on the man’s chest. I could give the Lidocaine longer to work (but I don’t think it will) or I could shock him. With no pressure, I probably should have shocked him right away anyway. “This is going to hurt,” I say.

Before I hit the shock button, I pull out my intubation kit and have it ready. (I have had bad experiences with shocking live people in the past.)

I shock him.

He screams.

Still v-tack.

“Sorry, I have to do it again.”

I shock him. He’s out. Flat line.

I grab a tube and using a device called a bougie, slide the bougie between the vocal chords, then slide the tube over it. I’m in in like twenty seconds. I do some compressions, ventilate through the tube, grab some epi and slam it in the line, and just like that we are out at the hospital.

Another EMT comes around and helps us unload the patient. When we wheel him into the cardiac room, the doctor takes one look at his emaciated body and says, “He’s asystole, he’s dead.”

“But he just coded like two minutes ago,” I say.

“Look at him, he’s terminal.”

The doctor is right. He looks like a Biafrian.

“He was v-tack. I shocked him twice. He was here for seven hours today in the waiting room.”

The doctor ponders a moment, looks at the ECG, says, “11:34,” and leaves the room.

The nurse takes the rest of my report, then writes in the time, then goes over to prepare the body.

The man takes a breath, a deep gasp.

She jumps. “Oh, my god.”

He gasps again, and with each gasp, his breathing becomes more regular. She hooks him up to the monitor. He has a rythmn.

“I guess I better get the doctor.”

She comes back with the doctor just in time to see the man take his last gasp. The monitor goes back to straight line.

The doctor shakes his head. “He’s dead,” he says.

“You don’t want to give him some epi?”

“No.”

He turns to leave the room. The man takes another deep gasp.

The doctor turns and glares at him as if to command him to cut it out. He’s still breathing.

The doctor approaches, lays his hand on the man. He stops breathing.

“I’m giving him epi,” the nurse says.

“Fine,” the doctor says. He glares at me. “Thanks again,” he says.

I have been bringing him a number of codes lately. “My pleasure,” I say.

I leave to write my run form. When I come back fifteen minutes later there is a sheet over the man. The nurse stands across the room watching him.

“He’s really dead now?” I ask.

She gives me a sarcastic smile as she accepts my run form, then returns her gaze to the body on the ER table.

***

The only reason I don’t have Lidocaine lower on my list is because we also use it as premedication for Intraosseous insertion in conscious patients prior to administration of fluid or other drugs. I have not used it this way yet, but I intend to. As I wrote in the following excerpt fromIO on Living Person even though a person may be unconcious, they can still apparently feel the pain of fluids being pushed through an IO.

***

My preceptee asks if he should give the lidocaine dose before hand. The lidocaine dose is a pain-control measure for conscious patients. While the drill itself causes only minor pain, they say it is the fluids being pushed that really hurts. This guy reacted to the drill with only the faintest of groans. “Not necessary,” I say. “He’s unconscious.”

I prepare a saline flush while my partner spikes a bag. I push the 10 ccs of fluid and from out of the depths of unconsciousness, the patient screams and nearly comes off the stretcher. I keep pushing and he keeps screaming. It is a good thing it only takes four or five seconds to push the saline. As soon as I am done pushing, he drops back to unconsciousness.

I think maybe we should have given him the lidocaine (Although that likely would have hurt just as much pushing the saline in). Maybe next time.

***
From our Regional Guidelines:

Lidocaine (Xylocaine)

Class: Antiarrhythmic

Action: Decreases ventricular irritability
Elevates fibrillation threshold

Indication: Refractory Ventricular Tachycardia or ventricular fibrillation
Recurrent runs of Ventricular tachycardia and after successful defibrillation to prevent the reoccurrence of VF or VT

Contraindication: AV blocks
Sensitivity to medication
Idioventricular rhythms
Sinus bradycardias, SA arrest or block
Ventricular conduction defects
Not used to treat occasional PVCs

Precaution: Reduce dose in patients with CHF, renal or hepatic diseases

Side effect: Anxiety, apprehension,
Toxicity: Early: decreased LOC, tinnitus, visual
disturbances, euphoria, combativeness, nausea, twitching,
numbness, difficulty breathing or swallowing, decreased heart rate.
Late: Seizure, hypotension, coma, widening QRS complex, prolongation of the
P-R interval, hearing loss, and hallucinations.

Dose: 1.0 -1.5 mg/kg, may repeat 3-5 minutes

IV – Drip usual dosage rate 2-4 mg/min

Route: IV, IO, ET – double usual IV dose.

Pedi dose: 1.0mg/kg total pedi dose-3mg/kg

7 Comments

  • medic 22 says:

    Peter, I did an IO on a status seizure patient the other day. I had the extension set primed with lido, so it would be the first thing in when I flushed.

    Even with the lido, It still must have hurt like hell.

    Because when I pushed the saline, it still caused this woman, who had no gag, and an OPA in, and was being bagged, to flinch and scream.

    Ow.

    BTW, I love the Drug Box series. Good stuff.

  • medicscribe says:

    thanks for the comment.

    Yeah, it seems like if it hurts for 10 cc of saline, its going to hurt for the lido, too, sort of like the novacaine needle hurts at the dentist, only at a greater pain level.

  • Ted Maze says:

    Being an old school medic and an ACLS instructor since 1983 I firmly believe in Lidocaine. Amiodarone may be ok but when you work as a single medic and you either have to pull up 300 mg or use two prefilled syringes v.s. one lido, guess where my hand goes? I have not seen that much difference in resuscitation using amio. Using it after I get in the truck and have some extra time maybe, of course this is post lido use in the house. Lido/amio against VT with pulses not much luck there either.

  • totwtytr says:

    I still prefer Lidocaine to Amiodarone, especially since the data for Amio is, well, not all that clear. We had a case recently with a patient in sustained V-Tac, unresolved by a dozen shocks from his AICD. We chose Lidocaine because it seemed that cardiac arrest was imminent for this patient it takes less time to set up and administer than does Amio. Oh, and it worked, which is the key factor.

    Maybe there will be better evidence this time around when the AHA redoes the ACLS protocols. Or maybe not.

    • medicscribe says:

      You are definitely right about the literature. The only literature that to my knowledge supports amiodarone is somewhat shaky and was supported by the makers of amiodarone. I have heard inklings that procainimde may be making a comeback. Who knows? As I said I had better luck with amio, but that is strictly anecdotal and in all likelihood that patients that responded to amio would have responded to lidocaine and the ones who had bad outcomes for me with lidocaine would have had the same with amio.

      Thanks again for the thoughtful comments,

      Peter

  • Jonmedic says:

    hey
    i love the IO routes. since i started using it, i even sometimes refrain to search for a vein if i think it will take too long.
    next time try using an automatic device for the IO, something like the bone injection gun (BIG) as the penetration is very fast and no more painful then normal IV. just prior to administration of fluids anasthesize the bone with Lido.
    i had great results with that.
    Jon
    Paramedic from Israel.

  • medicscribe says:

    Hi JonMedic –

    We only carry the EZ-IO. In extremis we can go right to the IO if we want. If I see veins with a quick visual scan I will go for the vein, but if the person is a one-legged diabetic with nothing showing and nothing likely to be found, I go right for the IO.

    Peter

Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *

background image Blogger Img

Peter Canning

JEMS Talk: Google Hangout

Recent Posts
Breaker of Men September 25, 2014
Streamline September 21, 2014
Clear Some Space May 28, 2014
Patient Handover May 13, 2014
Categories
  • ems-health-safety (7)
  • ems-topics (697)
  • hazmat (1)
  • Uncategorized (410)
  • Comments
    Survivor
    Streamline
    Well said. Given your attention to work/life balance mixed with genuine passion for the profession, it is no surprise that you have had such longevity in this career. I look forward to more posts in the future, whenever you get to them ;) Keep on keepin' on!
    2014-09-24 18:01:15
    McGee
    Solu-Medrol
    TOTWTYTR: How can you say that ED staff are lazy or inefficient? You don't know what are you talking about mate!!! Big difference between EMT/Paramedics and ED staff...is you can give medication when you want and you don't need to wait for a medic to prescribe that drug.
    2014-09-23 08:52:46
    Vanessa
    PSVT-Adenosine
    I have PSVT and have been converted twice with Adenosine and it feels horrible, like an elephant sitting on our chest, I once went to the ER after 30 in V-tach, and a doctor said he learned this maneuver that usually works 90% of the time. Have the patient lay down and push down just…
    2014-08-27 21:08:20
    Jon Kavanagh
    Patient Handover
    Handover needs to be handover. The physical transfer of the patient needs to be a separate step. Introduce the nurse/team to the patient, give the relevant stuff, then move the patient over; even in a high acuity patient, unless he is ready to die without an immediate intervention by the physician, the 15-30 seconds spent…
    2014-08-13 19:19:31
    Lisa Aulbert
    Precepting
    I hate to break this to you, but you are a part of the problem. Having an easy day is not dependent on if a student "talks a good game" and being a good preceptor does not mean that you give a student that has CLEARLY demonstrated deficiencies during several calls during the shift, the…
    2014-08-01 15:01:15

    Now Available: Mortal Men

    Mortal Men is available as an electronic book for Kindle, Nook or any other e-reader. Here is a link to some of the places to buy it. The book sells for $3.99. Barnes and Noble Amazon Smashwords Scribd Also Available from iBooks

    Order My Books

    Support EMS Bloggers, Buy Their Books

    Google

    Order Books and Movies

    FireEMS Blogs eNewsletter

    Sign-up to receive our free monthly eNewsletter

    LATEST EMS NEWS

    HOT FORUM DISCUSSIONS